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Solar Energy Projects in Ohio

Tue Apr 5, 2011 9:05 PM EDT
environment, energy, alternative-energy, solar-energy
By Jerry333

A humorous story about northern Ohio I have heard indicates that, in 1796, the famed explorer and surveyor Moses Cleaveland pulled his expedition’s boats into the mouth of the Cuyahoga River and told his party “We’ll camp here until the clouds clear.” Thus the permanent settlement of Cleaveland, later spelled Cleveland, was founded. This, of course, is not necessarily historical fact; however, Ohio’s reputation for cloudiness and limited sunshine is well founded and documented. One would think that this would, at least, give pause to the proponents of massive subsidized expansion of solar power conversion projects in the area.

Solar power basics:

The University of Oregon offers a good explanation of the basics of solar energy. The basic mechanism of photovoltaic (PV) cells is that photons from sunlight striking silicon liberate bound electrons and induce an electric current. Per the information presented by the University of Oregon, 77% of the energy from the sun is carried in photons containing sufficient energy at the appropriate wavelength to move electrons in the silicon, and 47% of the energy from the sun makes it through the atmosphere to the Earth’s surface. As an average over the entire surface of the Earth, 164 watts/m2 from the sun reach the surface over a 24 hour day.

As another reference, Wikipedia’s entry on Solar Cells offers a good explanation of energy conversion efficiency and Standard Test Conditions (STC). The Standard Test Conditions, which are used to test and rate solar cells, are intended to approximate solar noon near the spring and autumn equinoxes in the continental United States with the surface of the cell aimed directly at the sun, and specify that testing takes place at 25°C (normal room temperature). This needs to be remembered when reviewing and comparing power capacity and energy rating for various cells; and we need to understand that deviation from these conditions in the real world will obviously cause the cells to perform differently.

To relate this to Ohio, NREL offers information on the average annual power that we can expect from the sun. Per the solar resource maps offered by NREL, it can be seen that Ohio generally receives 4.0 to 4.5 KWh/m2/day, which translates to 187.5 watts/m2. Also, when determining the actual average power or energy output of solar cells, it is important to remember that efficiency of conversion to electricity for PV cells is quite low (generally around 10%).

It is also worth noting that some of the same concerns raised in previous articles regarding Critical Analysis of Wind Turbines, will also be concerns regarding the efficacy of solar power generation. In particular, the simple economic analysis does not account for the cost that will be incurred to maintain and operate a traditional back-up system for generating power when the sun is not shining adequately, and for the added cost and inefficiency of cycling this back-up system on and off to balance the supply load against the variability of the sun generated power.

Solar panels at the Akron bus garage:

A more detailed analysis of the project to install solar panels on the roof of the Akron Metro Bus Garage is included in the two simple images attached to this article. Information was taken for the Ohio Government press release and a similar press release provided by Sharp, the manufacturer of the 235 Watt solar panels being used, model NU-U235SF1.

To conduct the cash flow analysis information regarding the average commercial price of electricity in Ohio was taken from the DOE EIA, and information regarding the expectation that the efficiency of the solar panels will degrade approximately 1% per year was taken from Geoffrey Styles and his opinion of the Akron project on Energy Outlook.

The more detailed analysis, taking into account inflation and the average commercial price of electricity, indicates that the investment of $2,500,000 will not be paid back during the expected life of the solar panels. Further, note that two very generous assumptions were made that actually err on the side of the solar panels; (1) since Operation & Maintenance costs are not documented, it was assumed that there will be no such costs; and (2) the full credit for the commercial price of electricity is applied to the entire expected annual energy output of the solar panels. It is known, however, that any electricity not used by Akron Metro RTA will be sold back onto the grid, and the RTA will be paid far less than commercial price for this electricity.

Turning Point Solar array planned for southeast Ohio:

Information regarding the 500 acre solar array to be installed in southeastern Ohio, beyond the initial Ohio government press release, is proving harder to find.

We know that the entire array will be comprised of 239,400 solar panels, will be rated at 50MW, and will cost $250,000,000. This makes it roughly 100 times the size and 100 times the cost of the Akron Metro RTA project. It is fairly easy to guess that performance and pay back will be equally dismal.

One thing we need to consider, however, is that the Turning Point Solar array is a commercial power generation venture, which means it will need to sell its power to distributors like AEP on the wholesale market. The annual average wholesale price of electricity is far less than the commercial retail price which the Akron RTA pays, making any return on investment for the massive Turning Point Solar Array even less likely; unless someone raises the price we pay for electricity.

Unfortunately, the move to deliberately raise the cost of electricity is already happening. The press release notes that AEP is already negotiating a Power Purchase Agreement (PPA) to buy electricity from the array at elevated cost. They need to do this to meet the requirements of the mandates imposed by Ohio Senate Bill 221. So far, there is no specific indication regarding how much more AEP will pay for electricity from the solar array, or how much Ohioans can expect their electric bills to increase.

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oldfogey

The real solution? Individual generation of both solar and wind. Turn energy economics on its head. Let the end user be in control of prices. For an Ohio attempt to tackle this see: www.cowcorners.com. This is not an advertisement but an attempt to get all people involved in the greening of America to see there is more than one way to skin a cat. Taxpayers will wind up paying for the large corporate systems, taxpayers will be relieved by the home owned ones. Thanks.

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Reply#1 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 9:42 PM EDT
Jerry333

I agree with individual decisions and responsibility; but I have analyzed many small residential wind turbine systems also, and NONE stand up to an economic sniff test without grants and rebates from the taxpayer paying for them. None generate enough reliable electricity to come even close to paying for themselves, and all have to be backed-up by traditionally generated electricity.

I have not analyzed any small scale solar panel systems, so I cannot speak to those.

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Reply#2 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 9:56 PM EDT
oldfogey

Jerry333, I think you would find that most currently available small scale solar would be only slightly more cost effective than the wind you have looked into. Cost effectiveness should not be the criteria if based on current availabilities, potentials and jurisdictional and legal boundaries. Cost effeciencies will come with greater use. What many miss when considering alternate energy sources is the conservation side of a new energy economics. Individual generation will impress those individuals more directly on the value of using conservation of energy. What I am saying is that individuals will soon learn that cutting down on usage is much easier than increasing potential generation. They will learn to do with less.

Once the ball gets rolling I can see added generation being more and more affordable thereby freeing individuals to go back to their old, wasteful ways at a lower cost. All of this holds true for wind as well.

And in the current environment there are the jobs to be created. Conversion to user generation of energy will produce many more jobs than any corporate system can provide. None of this will take away from the grid. The grid will still be a necessary component of a national system. Corporate or cooperative power plants will still be required for backup although in reduced capacity. New system builders and installers will be need. New system maintenance and service industries should rise. Production of storage devices, batteries, etc. should bring more jobs.

Sorry Jerry333, I get wound up about this stuff. BTW, I am Jerry Firman and from Ohio.

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#2.1 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 10:37 PM EDT
Jerry333

oldfogey,

Thanks for the comments, but I can not agree that paying $100,000 for something that returns $50,000 of value over the next 20 years (hypothetical numbers) can ever be the correct thing to do.

With regard to subsidies, I have used the following analogy previously: Consider that a coal company wants to explore a location somewhere in the US, to determine if there are coal reserves available that would make mining worthwhile. The US government might subsidize some of this exploration and R&D, because we want the energy. Suppose further, however, that when the exploration and research is done the data indicates there is no coal, or not enough to warrant digging a hole for it. Would we suggest that the US government should continue paying the coal company anyway, subsidizing the digging of an empty hole, because the digging of the hole would create jobs? As ridiculous as this sounds, this is exactly what is happening with wind turbine development. We subsidize the research and the site studies, and when the factual data indicates that the turbines are ineffective at producing useful electricity in most cases, we go ahead and pay the wind turbine industry to set them up anyway; because they are “green”, and create jobs, and give us a warm & fuzzy feeling that we are doing something good.

If the wind turbine industry (or solar panel industry) CAN charge $100,000 for a generation device, because the government is paying the bills; they WILL charge $100,000. If we give a home owner $100,000 to buy a generation device that will provide $50,000 worth of electricity over the next 20 years, the home owner will take and use the $50,000 worth of electricity. If we pay someone to dig a useless hole in the ground (or build a useless wind turbine) then that is what they will do; but then that is money we will not have to do something useful with.

BTW - I get wound up too, and I am Jerry Graf, from Ohio

    #2.2 - Wed Apr 6, 2011 9:01 PM EDT
    oldfogey

    Nice to meet you, Jerry Graf. I am Jerry Firman.

    The figures you are using and the subsidies you are talking about are for commercially produced wind energy. I am talking only about energy produced by individual home or small business owners. So far the government is not very interested in getting the end user involved. Individuals will have to involve themselves. Out of survivability and protection of personal wealth individuals will eventually develop economical home generation. A combination of a small wind turbine, available as low as a few hundred dollars and an array of solar panels which could cost as little as $500/Kwh if built by hand could more than provide a home's energy needs. I realize this won't be for everybody but enough people could benefit to change the current economics of energy.

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    #2.3 - Wed Apr 6, 2011 10:05 PM EDT
    Jerry333

    oldfogey,

    Sorry for the delay in response. I got really busy this week. I hope you're still out there watching.

    One again I appreciate your input and comments. I will keep looking for advantages to small scale wind energy production, but I have not found any yet.

    I have looked at many cases of residential and/or end-use wind turbines and, as I said, they all rely completely on government subsidy or rebate to make them any where near feasible. The basic truth is that, large or small, the wind turbines on the market can not produce enough reliable electricity to pay for themselves (in most locations in the US). I have not done enough analysis regarding solar panels to reach this conclusion, but I fear that this is also the case.

    Also, for the reasons I have indicated, their contribution to reduction in pollution (they're relative "greenness") is highly suspect.

    I will post a recent analysis I performed on a small scale installation of two wind turbines by a small town community near to where I live as an illustration. Stand-by.

      #2.4 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 1:07 PM EDT
      Jerry333

      An article entitled "Small Scale Wind Energy Generation" is now posted on my page.

        #2.5 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 3:04 PM EDT
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